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		<title>Comment on Science Day in Canada by Jeremy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone know when the next research day is coming up? I just happened to find this page by trying to Google the next meeting.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Andrew Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 18:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with some of your points, especially your point about the Conservatives privileging ideology over evidence.  This latter point is in fact a major concern to me because I think that the default belief about science in the party is that its worth is entirely linked to the economic benefits it can generate OR the credibility it will lend to Conservative policy (or in the case of funding for the Perimeter Inst., the favours they can do for a super-rich &#039;friend&#039; of Conservatives).

You say that Conservatives have officially accepted the central tenets of climate change science.  Perhaps that is their current &#039;official&#039; position, but Harper himself and many of his previous advisors and close allies have, in the past, publicly denied the &#039;reality&#039; of evidence for climate change.  Harper knews that he couldn&#039;t  win over centrist voters by exposing their oil-sands friendly underbelly in the last few years. But I think it is pretty clear that the Harper government (and Canada) has become world-known now for being climate-change policy heel-draggers.  The reasons are twofold: (i) a large fraction of the party faithful DO NOT believe climate change science (because they don&#039;t actually understand or are generally swayed by evidence) and (ii) they are strongly supported by the &#039;pro-oil sands&#039; lobby. Climate change policy means penalizing the latter and compromising the support from this base.  

As for the issue of Kenney and creationism, I think it IS a big issue because it is not JUST one MP. Stockwell Day is a card-carrying young Earth creationist who was against the public schooling of children because it didn&#039;t instill Christian values.  Quite a few of the powerful Conservatives belong to the same churches (Christian and Missionary Alliance or Pentecostal) and...although they won&#039;t say anything publicly because of the Harper message control....are also likely to have completely irrational beliefs about evolution (not to mention other scientific issues).   That a large number of powerful people in the Conservative government believe in the something scientifically equivalent to phlogiston or faeries in their gardens suggests to me that they are not just scientifically &#039;non-literate&#039; -- they actually have no capability for rational reasoning in the modern world.  How can we sincerely try to explain the value of science to such people, especially when science (e.g. climate change or environmental research) often puts up pesky barriers to their political agenda?

Finally, as a comment on whether or not the stifling of departments under the Conservative government is an artefact of a hyper-partisan policital environment during a minority government. This is a frankly lame argument that Andrew Coyne in MacCleans advanced.  The Conservatives were held in contempt of Parliament for deliberately not providing information to parliament -- no other government has been there before. The other parties have vociferously complained about how the Conservatives won&#039;t discuss things and won&#039;t compromise. This is all part of the same pattern of message and information control that is a CORE value of Stephen Harper&#039;s Conservatives.   The reason they don&#039;t like Stats Canada is because they provide INFORMATION that doesn&#039;t necessarily agree with Con ideology.  The reason they stifled Environment Canada is the same reason that Bush did similar things in the US....They don&#039;t want FACTS to get in the way of implementing an ideologically driven agenda.  It has NOTHING to do with the minority government. 

Or so I claim....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of your points, especially your point about the Conservatives privileging ideology over evidence.  This latter point is in fact a major concern to me because I think that the default belief about science in the party is that its worth is entirely linked to the economic benefits it can generate OR the credibility it will lend to Conservative policy (or in the case of funding for the Perimeter Inst., the favours they can do for a super-rich &#8216;friend&#8217; of Conservatives).</p>
<p>You say that Conservatives have officially accepted the central tenets of climate change science.  Perhaps that is their current &#8216;official&#8217; position, but Harper himself and many of his previous advisors and close allies have, in the past, publicly denied the &#8216;reality&#8217; of evidence for climate change.  Harper knews that he couldn&#8217;t  win over centrist voters by exposing their oil-sands friendly underbelly in the last few years. But I think it is pretty clear that the Harper government (and Canada) has become world-known now for being climate-change policy heel-draggers.  The reasons are twofold: (i) a large fraction of the party faithful DO NOT believe climate change science (because they don&#8217;t actually understand or are generally swayed by evidence) and (ii) they are strongly supported by the &#8216;pro-oil sands&#8217; lobby. Climate change policy means penalizing the latter and compromising the support from this base.  </p>
<p>As for the issue of Kenney and creationism, I think it IS a big issue because it is not JUST one MP. Stockwell Day is a card-carrying young Earth creationist who was against the public schooling of children because it didn&#8217;t instill Christian values.  Quite a few of the powerful Conservatives belong to the same churches (Christian and Missionary Alliance or Pentecostal) and&#8230;although they won&#8217;t say anything publicly because of the Harper message control&#8230;.are also likely to have completely irrational beliefs about evolution (not to mention other scientific issues).   That a large number of powerful people in the Conservative government believe in the something scientifically equivalent to phlogiston or faeries in their gardens suggests to me that they are not just scientifically &#8216;non-literate&#8217; &#8212; they actually have no capability for rational reasoning in the modern world.  How can we sincerely try to explain the value of science to such people, especially when science (e.g. climate change or environmental research) often puts up pesky barriers to their political agenda?</p>
<p>Finally, as a comment on whether or not the stifling of departments under the Conservative government is an artefact of a hyper-partisan policital environment during a minority government. This is a frankly lame argument that Andrew Coyne in MacCleans advanced.  The Conservatives were held in contempt of Parliament for deliberately not providing information to parliament &#8212; no other government has been there before. The other parties have vociferously complained about how the Conservatives won&#8217;t discuss things and won&#8217;t compromise. This is all part of the same pattern of message and information control that is a CORE value of Stephen Harper&#8217;s Conservatives.   The reason they don&#8217;t like Stats Canada is because they provide INFORMATION that doesn&#8217;t necessarily agree with Con ideology.  The reason they stifled Environment Canada is the same reason that Bush did similar things in the US&#8230;.They don&#8217;t want FACTS to get in the way of implementing an ideologically driven agenda.  It has NOTHING to do with the minority government. </p>
<p>Or so I claim&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Sponge Bob</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/are-the-conservatives-so-bad-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sponge Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 03:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First let&#039;s separate science from technology:

Science is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. Technology is the creation, usage and knowledge of tools, techniques, crafts, systems or methods of organization as means in order to solve a problem or serve some purpose or end. (Thanks Wikipedia ;-) )
They often go together, but can exist alone. Metallurgy existed long before we knew anything about metals and their oxidation states, and some areas of mathematics have no applications per se.

Do the conservatives like technology? Of course, it leads to products and services that can be sold and contribute to the economy.

Do they like science? Not sure. They do not need explanations about the world in many areas. They have their beliefs.

They do not want to know why the climate is changing. It is changing, that&#039;s all, and we have to live with it. 

They do not think ecology and sustainable development are important, it goes against their simplistic view of the world as a big market.

They do  not want to know who is poor, why, and the social consequences. Poor people just have to want and fight hard enough to get out of their condition. No need for a long form census; survival of the fittest, social Darwinism from those who barely believe in the Theory of Evolution. 
This could also be an explanation for the very strong bias in the funding of University research for « stars » and super-performers. This will lead the others to do everything they can to perform better, if they have any value. Science needs stability and continuity, but they would not know, because of  their lack of scientific literacy. Please don&#039;t be so naive to think that CIHR and NSERC are not on leash

They do not want to know about studies showing that the crime rate is not increasing in Canada, and that a strong repressive system does not correlate with decrease in crime. « Everybody knows insecurity is rising, and we should take action ».

And the list could go on and on.

Why is that so?
Epistemological populism? Maybe, but what if it is just a tool they use to convince people?
Harper has the economic agenda and the political wit of Margaret Thatcher, coupled with the religious blinders of G.W. Bush. The long and documented demonstration of Marci McDonald in « The Armageddon Factor » is quite convincing about that.

In conclusion, they probably like science, as long as it does not contradict their vision of the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let&#8217;s separate science from technology:</p>
<p>Science is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. Technology is the creation, usage and knowledge of tools, techniques, crafts, systems or methods of organization as means in order to solve a problem or serve some purpose or end. (Thanks Wikipedia <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )<br />
They often go together, but can exist alone. Metallurgy existed long before we knew anything about metals and their oxidation states, and some areas of mathematics have no applications per se.</p>
<p>Do the conservatives like technology? Of course, it leads to products and services that can be sold and contribute to the economy.</p>
<p>Do they like science? Not sure. They do not need explanations about the world in many areas. They have their beliefs.</p>
<p>They do not want to know why the climate is changing. It is changing, that&#8217;s all, and we have to live with it. </p>
<p>They do not think ecology and sustainable development are important, it goes against their simplistic view of the world as a big market.</p>
<p>They do  not want to know who is poor, why, and the social consequences. Poor people just have to want and fight hard enough to get out of their condition. No need for a long form census; survival of the fittest, social Darwinism from those who barely believe in the Theory of Evolution.<br />
This could also be an explanation for the very strong bias in the funding of University research for « stars » and super-performers. This will lead the others to do everything they can to perform better, if they have any value. Science needs stability and continuity, but they would not know, because of  their lack of scientific literacy. Please don&#8217;t be so naive to think that CIHR and NSERC are not on leash</p>
<p>They do not want to know about studies showing that the crime rate is not increasing in Canada, and that a strong repressive system does not correlate with decrease in crime. « Everybody knows insecurity is rising, and we should take action ».</p>
<p>And the list could go on and on.</p>
<p>Why is that so?<br />
Epistemological populism? Maybe, but what if it is just a tool they use to convince people?<br />
Harper has the economic agenda and the political wit of Margaret Thatcher, coupled with the religious blinders of G.W. Bush. The long and documented demonstration of Marci McDonald in « The Armageddon Factor » is quite convincing about that.</p>
<p>In conclusion, they probably like science, as long as it does not contradict their vision of the world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Pascal Lapointe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pascal Lapointe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;There is no indication the other parties would not have done similar, but I think this government is more ideologically driven and, to some degree, is anti-intellectual (for better or worse, that was their thrust against Ignatieff and it has rubbed off on other elements of their campaign).&lt;/i&gt;


Anti-intellectual is indeed an important factor that we must not under-estimate. If it was only tactical thing for electoral campaigns, that would be reassuring. But there is something deep here, a dangerous perception —maybe part of the old rural vs urban polarity that many politics are using— and this has inevitably an impact on future policies. Unless some very bright people are able to build bridges, to show them that the &quot;intellectual&quot; is not the enemy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is no indication the other parties would not have done similar, but I think this government is more ideologically driven and, to some degree, is anti-intellectual (for better or worse, that was their thrust against Ignatieff and it has rubbed off on other elements of their campaign).</i></p>
<p>Anti-intellectual is indeed an important factor that we must not under-estimate. If it was only tactical thing for electoral campaigns, that would be reassuring. But there is something deep here, a dangerous perception —maybe part of the old rural vs urban polarity that many politics are using— and this has inevitably an impact on future policies. Unless some very bright people are able to build bridges, to show them that the &#8220;intellectual&#8221; is not the enemy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking of the Aussies, the new Australian chief scientist sounds like he was separated at birth from Stephen Harper!

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110505/full/news.2011.266.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking of the Aussies, the new Australian chief scientist sounds like he was separated at birth from Stephen Harper!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110505/full/news.2011.266.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110505/full/news.2011.266.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 14:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are certainly some troubling signs. The economy is still very fragile and Harper is looking for $14 billion in government program cuts.  That is going to affect every aspect of government (except prison building and plans for the F45). A lot of people are still smarting and are under-employed. They are demanding lower taxes and these can only be accommodated by reducing government. Harper has committed to a 6% increase in health transfers for another two years beyond the expiry of the Martin accord in 2013/14 and so his hands are tied. Government coffers are going to be reduced in the short term and even if reductions in corporate taxes do result in more jobs (and hence higher income tax revenues), that will take years. So, brace yourselves...  There is no indication the other parties would not have done similar, but I think this government is more ideologically driven and, to some degree, is anti-intellectual (for better or worse, that was their thrust against Ignatieff and it has rubbed off on other elements of their campaign). The other major factor is that there are no end of year surpluses.  Hence, appropriations to existing programs that were funded by this mechanism (Paul Martin&#039;s legacy) such as Genome Canada, will remain at the whim of the PMO. Lastly, while there is certainly a tendency towards flagship programs (CERCs), there is a more disconcerting trend towards non-competitive funding allocations. This weakens the tricouncils at a time when they are increasingly shouldering the burden of reduced research funding by NGOs. These councils represent the meat of Canadian research but are not judged favourable by government. The core issue though, is that science is not on anyones agenda. It certainly was not an election issue and none of the parties had a clear vision based on scientific progress and enquiry.

BTW, while things are not particularly rosy here, proposed cuts in Australia would have made us look like fat cats.  The resulting uproar has likely put Australian science on stronger footing - by rallying support from the population. We might learn a lesson or two from our antipodean associates.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/cash-cuts-drugs-warning/story-fn6bqphm-1226038160845
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9224293/health-research-cuts-will-come-at-big-cost/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly some troubling signs. The economy is still very fragile and Harper is looking for $14 billion in government program cuts.  That is going to affect every aspect of government (except prison building and plans for the F45). A lot of people are still smarting and are under-employed. They are demanding lower taxes and these can only be accommodated by reducing government. Harper has committed to a 6% increase in health transfers for another two years beyond the expiry of the Martin accord in 2013/14 and so his hands are tied. Government coffers are going to be reduced in the short term and even if reductions in corporate taxes do result in more jobs (and hence higher income tax revenues), that will take years. So, brace yourselves&#8230;  There is no indication the other parties would not have done similar, but I think this government is more ideologically driven and, to some degree, is anti-intellectual (for better or worse, that was their thrust against Ignatieff and it has rubbed off on other elements of their campaign). The other major factor is that there are no end of year surpluses.  Hence, appropriations to existing programs that were funded by this mechanism (Paul Martin&#8217;s legacy) such as Genome Canada, will remain at the whim of the PMO. Lastly, while there is certainly a tendency towards flagship programs (CERCs), there is a more disconcerting trend towards non-competitive funding allocations. This weakens the tricouncils at a time when they are increasingly shouldering the burden of reduced research funding by NGOs. These councils represent the meat of Canadian research but are not judged favourable by government. The core issue though, is that science is not on anyones agenda. It certainly was not an election issue and none of the parties had a clear vision based on scientific progress and enquiry.</p>
<p>BTW, while things are not particularly rosy here, proposed cuts in Australia would have made us look like fat cats.  The resulting uproar has likely put Australian science on stronger footing &#8211; by rallying support from the population. We might learn a lesson or two from our antipodean associates.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/cash-cuts-drugs-warning/story-fn6bqphm-1226038160845" rel="nofollow">http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/cash-cuts-drugs-warning/story-fn6bqphm-1226038160845</a><br />
<a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9224293/health-research-cuts-will-come-at-big-cost/" rel="nofollow">http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9224293/health-research-cuts-will-come-at-big-cost/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Pascal Lapointe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pascal Lapointe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Junior Science Minister Goodyear’s alleged creationism, frankly, tired and petty. Yeah, I get it, but I’ve seen no evidence that his personal religious beliefs have had any impact on policy.&lt;/i&gt;


Yeah, but isn&#039;t the problem that there IS NOT a policy? An absence which, in retrospect, could be partially explained by his personal beliefs, religious or not. 


&lt;i&gt; Harper government “supports the science” by publicly endorsing the basic tenets of climate change, but they don’t do anything about it. That’s politics.&lt;/i&gt;


You&#039;re perfectly right that no parties has done this a priority issue. But are the conservatives really endorsing the basic tenets of climate change? I don&#039;t remember this point being that clear. Did I miss something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Junior Science Minister Goodyear’s alleged creationism, frankly, tired and petty. Yeah, I get it, but I’ve seen no evidence that his personal religious beliefs have had any impact on policy.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, but isn&#8217;t the problem that there IS NOT a policy? An absence which, in retrospect, could be partially explained by his personal beliefs, religious or not. </p>
<p><i> Harper government “supports the science” by publicly endorsing the basic tenets of climate change, but they don’t do anything about it. That’s politics.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re perfectly right that no parties has done this a priority issue. But are the conservatives really endorsing the basic tenets of climate change? I don&#8217;t remember this point being that clear. Did I miss something?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by Asshat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asshat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what if the creationist Reform party MPs do set back the clock?


Will take my newly minted unregistered long gun to the face?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what if the creationist Reform party MPs do set back the clock?</p>
<p>Will take my newly minted unregistered long gun to the face?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are the conservatives really so bad for science? by JoVE</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoVE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said. I agree that the problem is more about their active de-linking of evidence from policy. And I think the climate change case is probably part of that. It&#039;s not that they don&#039;t believe the science. It&#039;s that they don&#039;t believe it is the role of government to do anything about it, especially if that means a major shift in the economic foundation of the country. Like it or not, resource industries including the oil and gas industry are a major contributor to the current strength of the Canadian economy. Is that sustainable? No. But changing to a more sustainable basis is a pretty risky business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. I agree that the problem is more about their active de-linking of evidence from policy. And I think the climate change case is probably part of that. It&#8217;s not that they don&#8217;t believe the science. It&#8217;s that they don&#8217;t believe it is the role of government to do anything about it, especially if that means a major shift in the economic foundation of the country. Like it or not, resource industries including the oil and gas industry are a major contributor to the current strength of the Canadian economy. Is that sustainable? No. But changing to a more sustainable basis is a pretty risky business.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it means the Conservatives will pass the budget that brought them down, likely without major changes. Thus, some new college and polytechnic [...]]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Are the conservatives so bad for science? &#171; Researcher Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] before: they have too often demonstrated a disregard for evidence in shaping policy in favour of epistemological populism &#8211; the stuff everyone just knows to be true. Furthermore, they&#8217;ve undermined the [...]]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Are the conservatives so bad for science? &#171; Researcher Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] That&#8217;s politics. That&#8217;s not science. Yes, there are issues around cutting funding to PEARL and the government is likely to make investments in oil sands research as part of its climate and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Research policy in party election platforms by Science in the Elections &#8211; More a Priority in the U.K. than in Canada &#171; Pasco Phronesis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Science in the Elections &#8211; More a Priority in the U.K. than in Canada &#171; Pasco Phronesis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 03:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] priorities in the upcoming election.  While not all of those responses are particularly detailed, few of the party platforms for the Canadian parties give details or address all relevant research sectors in the nation.  And [...]]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SpongeBob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 17:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 3 parties responded to  &quot;Je Vote Pour la Science&quot;: Liberals, le Bloc, and the Greens. 
http://www.sciencepresse.qc.ca/actualite/2011/04/26/9-questions-aux-partis-politiques-lenergie
Expected, and ... disappointing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 3 parties responded to  &#8220;Je Vote Pour la Science&#8221;: Liberals, le Bloc, and the Greens.<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencepresse.qc.ca/actualite/2011/04/26/9-questions-aux-partis-politiques-lenergie" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencepresse.qc.ca/actualite/2011/04/26/9-questions-aux-partis-politiques-lenergie</a><br />
Expected, and &#8230; disappointing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Research policy in party election platforms by Ricardipus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ricardipus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 12:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the Bloc maintains that Canada’s poor record on R&amp;D investment is because Canada’s research and high tech firms are concentrated in Quebec. The rest of Canada has no interest in investing in R&amp;D because it’s irrelevant to its economic base.&quot;

Stunning. Yup, no R&amp;D going on anywhere but Quebec.

Thanks for the nicely detailed round-up. My somewhat more whimsical take is here:
http://occamstypewriter.org/irregulars/2011/05/01/science-policy-and-the-canadian-election-or-maybe-not/

One of my commenters pointed me over this way. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Bloc maintains that Canada’s poor record on R&amp;D investment is because Canada’s research and high tech firms are concentrated in Quebec. The rest of Canada has no interest in investing in R&amp;D because it’s irrelevant to its economic base.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stunning. Yup, no R&amp;D going on anywhere but Quebec.</p>
<p>Thanks for the nicely detailed round-up. My somewhat more whimsical take is here:<br />
<a href="http://occamstypewriter.org/irregulars/2011/05/01/science-policy-and-the-canadian-election-or-maybe-not/" rel="nofollow">http://occamstypewriter.org/irregulars/2011/05/01/science-policy-and-the-canadian-election-or-maybe-not/</a></p>
<p>One of my commenters pointed me over this way. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Research policy in party election platforms by Élections fédérales : Votez pour la recherche : en tête</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/research-in-the-election-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-4342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Élections fédérales : Votez pour la recherche : en tête]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Par contre Rob Annan lui consacre toute son attention sur son blogue personnel et a dressé un comparatif rigoureux (et irrévérencieux) du programme des différents partis en lice, avec des liens renvoyant à [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Par contre Rob Annan lui consacre toute son attention sur son blogue personnel et a dressé un comparatif rigoureux (et irrévérencieux) du programme des différents partis en lice, avec des liens renvoyant à [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Research policy in party election platforms by Canada Votes: Marking an ‘X’ for Research : headway</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canada Votes: Marking an ‘X’ for Research : headway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] will. On his personal Researcher Forum blog, Rob Annan has done an thorough (and irreverent) job of summarizing and comparing the party positions, complete with links to the official platforms. You might know Rob from his open letter to the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will. On his personal Researcher Forum blog, Rob Annan has done an thorough (and irreverent) job of summarizing and comparing the party positions, complete with links to the official platforms. You might know Rob from his open letter to the [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Science policy an issue in the Canada 2011 election? &#171; FrogHeart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] analysis of what the various political parties are offering, you can check out Rob Annan&#8217;s April 11, 2011 posting where he offers an overview and specifics of the various parties&#8217; research policy as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] analysis of what the various political parties are offering, you can check out Rob Annan&#8217;s April 11, 2011 posting where he offers an overview and specifics of the various parties&#8217; research policy as [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The good, the bad and the ugly in Tories Research Policy &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] my colleague Rob Annan so eloquently states: &#8220;Ignoring the data when crafting policy is unconscionable. Eliminating the data altogether [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my colleague Rob Annan so eloquently states: &#8220;Ignoring the data when crafting policy is unconscionable. Eliminating the data altogether [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The good, the bad and the ugly in Tories Research Policy &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] controversial point arose when the federal government proceeded in the 2009 budget to earmark the $17.5-million [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Goodyear&#8217;s office allegedly threatened SSHRC over funding decision by The good, the bad and the ugly in Tories research policies &#124; Piece of Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The good, the bad and the ugly in Tories research policies &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] low point was the –widely reported&#8211; interference by the minister in a SSHRC funding decision for a conference at [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The good, the bad and the ugly in Tories research policies &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] –at least equally deserving&#8211; research centres and institutes, the government is perceived as politicizing the research funding process by taking it away from the hands of the experts and giving it to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] –at least equally deserving&#8211; research centres and institutes, the government is perceived as politicizing the research funding process by taking it away from the hands of the experts and giving it to [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bold New Toppings: A closer look at the Council of Canadian Academies 3 year plan &#124; The Black Hole: Science in Canada, Issues affecting trainees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a hat tip to Rob Annan again for making a very good point about innovation vs. invention [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/research-in-the-election-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-4260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bold New Toppings: A closer look at the Council of Canadian Academies 3 year plan &#124; The Black Hole: Science in Canada, Issues affecting trainees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at what the various parties have in their platforms regarding research funding, please check out Rob Annan&#8217;s summary on his site Don&#8217;t Leave Canada [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meanwhile, Over in Canada &#171; Pasco Phronesis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 04:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Forum.  (Linking to the platforms would have been lovely&#8230;)  Rob at Researcher Forum also doesn&#8217;t expect science issues to be a big deal in the campaign.  The exception may be the census, which the Conservative government intends to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Forum.  (Linking to the platforms would have been lovely&#8230;)  Rob at Researcher Forum also doesn&#8217;t expect science issues to be a big deal in the campaign.  The exception may be the census, which the Conservative government intends to [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meanwhile, Over in Canada &#171; Pasco Phronesis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 03:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in the election, you can review summaries of what the major parties have to say on the subject, courtesy of Researcher Forum.  (Linking to the platforms would have been lovely&#8230;)  The exception may be the census, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the election, you can review summaries of what the major parties have to say on the subject, courtesy of Researcher Forum.  (Linking to the platforms would have been lovely&#8230;)  The exception may be the census, [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ignatieff and Garneau’s lip service to Canada’s research policy &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] get &#8211; a far cry from Marc Garneau’s speeches of times past, when he was trying to emulate Obama’s grandstanding for basic science, in his stimulus budget and in the middle of a major financial [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] get &#8211; a far cry from Marc Garneau’s speeches of times past, when he was trying to emulate Obama’s grandstanding for basic science, in his stimulus budget and in the middle of a major financial [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the links to the @MGhoussoub blog on the binning mess at NSERC. In the face of increasing demands, reduced funds and political ignorance, such examples show what can happen when quality of science is adjudicated by an inflexible series of rules - bureaucratization of something that cannot be modeled. There is a good reason that science isn&#039;t predictable, we simply don&#039;t know the future or the answers to our questions. One mans great idea is another mans babble. Applying over-simplified formulae and enforcing these on the individual reviewers who are not clones of one another is like trying the explain how the brain works in a single Tweet.  Who is running the asylum?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links to the @MGhoussoub blog on the binning mess at NSERC. In the face of increasing demands, reduced funds and political ignorance, such examples show what can happen when quality of science is adjudicated by an inflexible series of rules &#8211; bureaucratization of something that cannot be modeled. There is a good reason that science isn&#8217;t predictable, we simply don&#8217;t know the future or the answers to our questions. One mans great idea is another mans babble. Applying over-simplified formulae and enforcing these on the individual reviewers who are not clones of one another is like trying the explain how the brain works in a single Tweet.  Who is running the asylum?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoVE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect the Bloc is also silent because the Province of Québec has long made an argument that university research should be provincial responsibility (under education) rather than a federal one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the Bloc is also silent because the Province of Québec has long made an argument that university research should be provincial responsibility (under education) rather than a federal one.</p>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/research-in-the-election-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-4219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Research is clearly not a vote-getter and is therefore not a priority for any of the parties. When each of them is focusing on the here and now and sniping at their opponents over whatever was picked up by the press the day before, its hardly surprising. But its particularly disappointing that the Liberals (the party that brought in the Canada Research Chairs, Genome Canada, Canada Foundation for Innovation, the MRC to CIHR expansion and indirect costs) have little to say, even on policy.

None of the parties is looking towards science to solve problems, plan for the future or delay the demographic avalanche of the aging demographic. We are being led by people with their eyes shut and their fingers crossed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research is clearly not a vote-getter and is therefore not a priority for any of the parties. When each of them is focusing on the here and now and sniping at their opponents over whatever was picked up by the press the day before, its hardly surprising. But its particularly disappointing that the Liberals (the party that brought in the Canada Research Chairs, Genome Canada, Canada Foundation for Innovation, the MRC to CIHR expansion and indirect costs) have little to say, even on policy.</p>
<p>None of the parties is looking towards science to solve problems, plan for the future or delay the demographic avalanche of the aging demographic. We are being led by people with their eyes shut and their fingers crossed.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. A ban on particular research with federal money. That is just immoral. People should be able to study what they like, and the government should not limit the content of research should be. Peer review within a discipline is the best method of selecting which topics get the most studied with public money. It&#039;s tried, tested, and works.

The Green party needs to give its head a shake. Banning research in what  governments with reactionary autocratic tendencies do. 

Regulations about how the fruits of research may be deployed are, at least, defensible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. A ban on particular research with federal money. That is just immoral. People should be able to study what they like, and the government should not limit the content of research should be. Peer review within a discipline is the best method of selecting which topics get the most studied with public money. It&#8217;s tried, tested, and works.</p>
<p>The Green party needs to give its head a shake. Banning research in what  governments with reactionary autocratic tendencies do. </p>
<p>Regulations about how the fruits of research may be deployed are, at least, defensible.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cath@VWXYNot?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for putting this together. I&#039;ve been planning to grill my local candidates about this, but so far no-one&#039;s knocked on my door! Typical - before I got citizenship, they came around at least once each per campaign!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for putting this together. I&#8217;ve been planning to grill my local candidates about this, but so far no-one&#8217;s knocked on my door! Typical &#8211; before I got citizenship, they came around at least once each per campaign!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Micromanaging the research enterprise &#8230; by Could the research community cost Harper a majority government? &#124; Piece of Mind</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on $50-Million for Perimeter in Tuesday&#8217;s Budget by Could the research community cost Harper a majority government? &#124; Piece of Mind</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a majority&#160;government?  Posted on April 10, 2011 by Ghoussoub   Not so far-fetched, when some are arguing that the $50-million announced in the 2011 federal budget for the Waterloo-based Perimeter [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Here is another open letter by Could the research community cost Harper a majority government? &#124; Piece of Mind</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Fairy Dust Funding and the Election by Jim</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, certain politicians (and members of the public) see peer-review as:
1. Vested elitists supporting vested elitists (i.e. we are an exclusive and self-serving club).
2. Obstacles for their own ability to direct the funding to their own pet-projects.
3. An iconoclastic system that, through its natural resistance to undue influence, must be reformed.

I&#039;d be the first to argue that peer-review is imperfect, especially with very low funding rates, but undermining merit or, worse, redefining merit based on qualitative measures that make even the most liberal social scientist quiver (patient impact?), will result in dumbing down of research. The irony is that there is plenty of very poor science being done right now - largely under the auspices of non peer-reviewed funding sources (such as patient donations).  This is a reflection of donors being frustrated when they can&#039;t direct their funds and interested parties being willing to accept the funds under any circumstances. There has been a major shift, largely invisible, of research funding (especially in the healthcare sector) away from peer-review both via cherry-picking by the government and donors/fund-raising. This is a case of not getting what you paid for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, certain politicians (and members of the public) see peer-review as:<br />
1. Vested elitists supporting vested elitists (i.e. we are an exclusive and self-serving club).<br />
2. Obstacles for their own ability to direct the funding to their own pet-projects.<br />
3. An iconoclastic system that, through its natural resistance to undue influence, must be reformed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be the first to argue that peer-review is imperfect, especially with very low funding rates, but undermining merit or, worse, redefining merit based on qualitative measures that make even the most liberal social scientist quiver (patient impact?), will result in dumbing down of research. The irony is that there is plenty of very poor science being done right now &#8211; largely under the auspices of non peer-reviewed funding sources (such as patient donations).  This is a reflection of donors being frustrated when they can&#8217;t direct their funds and interested parties being willing to accept the funds under any circumstances. There has been a major shift, largely invisible, of research funding (especially in the healthcare sector) away from peer-review both via cherry-picking by the government and donors/fund-raising. This is a case of not getting what you paid for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on $50-Million for Perimeter in Tuesday&#8217;s Budget by James Colliander</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/50-million-for-perimeter-in-tuesdays-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Colliander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe they deserve it? But this will forever be unknown because the scientific criteria for determining winners and losers of funding are based on peer review. Science funding strategy should be set by scientists through a robust peer review system. There is more on Perimeter posted here:
http://blog.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011/03/30/213/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they deserve it? But this will forever be unknown because the scientific criteria for determining winners and losers of funding are based on peer review. Science funding strategy should be set by scientists through a robust peer review system. There is more on Perimeter posted here:<br />
<a href="http://blog.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011/03/30/213/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.math.toronto.edu/colliand/2011/03/30/213/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Fairy Dust Funding and the Election by James Colliander</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Colliander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robust peer review is what makes research funding investments strategic. Moreover, the perception that research funding is made based on factors besides merit hurts the scientific community. Winners are regarded as undeserving. Losers don&#039;t take the rejection as an incentive to improve. When science funding appears to scientists to be a game of chance, why should they continue to do science? Canada&#039;s R&amp;D policy needs to be fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robust peer review is what makes research funding investments strategic. Moreover, the perception that research funding is made based on factors besides merit hurts the scientific community. Winners are regarded as undeserving. Losers don&#8217;t take the rejection as an incentive to improve. When science funding appears to scientists to be a game of chance, why should they continue to do science? Canada&#8217;s R&amp;D policy needs to be fixed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2011 Federal Budget Highlights for Research Funding by James Colliander</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/2011-federal-budget-highlights/comment-page-1/#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Colliander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robust peer review is the process by which research investment becomes strategic.

Breakthrough discoveries in science (like the discovery of electricity, invention of the transistor, creation of vaccines) are stifled when the distribution system of research funding is thought to be unfair. When it is effective, the peer review process applies the expertise of the scientific community, the national brain trust, in setting strategy for national investment in science. Scientific peer review is a robust system that encourages and seriously considers high risk and long term research strategies within the constraints of fairness and accountability in the distribution of funds.  Canadians should insist on a distribution system for research and development funding which empowers those citizens most prepared to assess the quality, impact and risk of proposed research to set the strategy.

Scientific research investments selected by scientists through effective peer review are strategically superior and less risky than research investments made by politicians motivated by short-term outcomes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robust peer review is the process by which research investment becomes strategic.</p>
<p>Breakthrough discoveries in science (like the discovery of electricity, invention of the transistor, creation of vaccines) are stifled when the distribution system of research funding is thought to be unfair. When it is effective, the peer review process applies the expertise of the scientific community, the national brain trust, in setting strategy for national investment in science. Scientific peer review is a robust system that encourages and seriously considers high risk and long term research strategies within the constraints of fairness and accountability in the distribution of funds.  Canadians should insist on a distribution system for research and development funding which empowers those citizens most prepared to assess the quality, impact and risk of proposed research to set the strategy.</p>
<p>Scientific research investments selected by scientists through effective peer review are strategically superior and less risky than research investments made by politicians motivated by short-term outcomes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fairy Dust Funding and the Election by Erik</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 22:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Jim.

I&#039;m an international relations undergraduate student with an odd interest in everything science policy. What are everyone&#039;s thoughts on science policy formation by political science/ public policy majors and the non-scientific community? Or to be more specific, what do you think we have to bring to the table (if anything at all?). Are there specific areas where people with this type of expertise can aid the scientific community in being heard?

Any replies would be greatly appreciated; finding legitimate online discussions is a rare treat!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Jim.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an international relations undergraduate student with an odd interest in everything science policy. What are everyone&#8217;s thoughts on science policy formation by political science/ public policy majors and the non-scientific community? Or to be more specific, what do you think we have to bring to the table (if anything at all?). Are there specific areas where people with this type of expertise can aid the scientific community in being heard?</p>
<p>Any replies would be greatly appreciated; finding legitimate online discussions is a rare treat!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innovation vs. Invention by Yves Gingras</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/innovation-vs-invention/comment-page-1/#comment-4167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yves Gingras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not think you help clarifiy the distinction between invention and innovation when you write that &quot;The Blackberry is not an innovation, it’s an invention. A new cancer-fighting drug is not an innovation, it’s an invention. A more durable prosthetic knee is not an innovation, it’s an invention&quot;.
The reason is that in the economics of R&amp;D these terms have well defined technical definitions: an invention is the creation of a new combination of means of production, essentially a new process or a new product (or gadjet); il becomes an innovation ONLY WHEN it is introduced on the market; so, patents describes inventions but most of them stays as such: ideas of process or products that are in fact never produced and put on the market. Of course, beyond that precise definition used in economics there is the rhetoric of &quot;innovation&quot; in the vague sense of doing something new. 
But one should not confuse the vague discourse with the precise understanding of the general process of innovation. So, the Blackberry IS an &quot;product innovation&quot; since it has been put on the market and &quot;a more durable prosthetic knee&quot; may stay an invention if it is not put on the market, but once it is produced by a company and sold to hospitals IT BECOMES an innovation. OECDE and Statistics Canada obey to these definitions (contained in the Oslo Manual) in their surveys on innovation. In order to keep confusion to a aminimum, one should stick to these and distinguish them from the vague rhetoric of politicians and university presidents... After all concepts and definitions are essentiel to make distinctions and better understand the complexity of the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think you help clarifiy the distinction between invention and innovation when you write that &#8220;The Blackberry is not an innovation, it’s an invention. A new cancer-fighting drug is not an innovation, it’s an invention. A more durable prosthetic knee is not an innovation, it’s an invention&#8221;.<br />
The reason is that in the economics of R&amp;D these terms have well defined technical definitions: an invention is the creation of a new combination of means of production, essentially a new process or a new product (or gadjet); il becomes an innovation ONLY WHEN it is introduced on the market; so, patents describes inventions but most of them stays as such: ideas of process or products that are in fact never produced and put on the market. Of course, beyond that precise definition used in economics there is the rhetoric of &#8220;innovation&#8221; in the vague sense of doing something new.<br />
But one should not confuse the vague discourse with the precise understanding of the general process of innovation. So, the Blackberry IS an &#8220;product innovation&#8221; since it has been put on the market and &#8220;a more durable prosthetic knee&#8221; may stay an invention if it is not put on the market, but once it is produced by a company and sold to hospitals IT BECOMES an innovation. OECDE and Statistics Canada obey to these definitions (contained in the Oslo Manual) in their surveys on innovation. In order to keep confusion to a aminimum, one should stick to these and distinguish them from the vague rhetoric of politicians and university presidents&#8230; After all concepts and definitions are essentiel to make distinctions and better understand the complexity of the world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fairy Dust Funding and the Election by Jim</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Possible explanation for the apparent distrust of the tricouncils by the Harper government - they are seen as an evidence-based, three party coalition.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Fairy Dust Funding and the Election by Ghoussoub</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/fairy-dust-funding-and-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-4159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghoussoub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome post Ron. I wrote on the same subject this morning but yours is so much better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post Ron. I wrote on the same subject this morning but yours is so much better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on $50-Million for Perimeter in Tuesday&#8217;s Budget by Is Canada’s research strategy too politicized? &#124; Piece of Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Is Canada’s research strategy too politicized? &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] And much more importantly, why not shelter the institute’s reputation from the following type of commentary? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on 2011 Federal Budget Highlights for Research Funding by Post-budget analysis &#171; Researcher Forum</title>
		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/2011-federal-budget-highlights/comment-page-1/#comment-4155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Post-budget analysis &#171; Researcher Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on 2011 Federal Budget Highlights for Research Funding by Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SSHRC funding increases have been 50% of CIHR and NSERC for a few years.  The indirects are based on tricouncil funding totals and apply indiscriminately to each program (i.e. a SSHRC dollar is equivalent to an NSERC dollar in terms of accruing indirects). The extra $10 million in indirects is proportionate to the increase in the tricouncil base (direct) budgets (approx. 25% of total). It&#039;s a little like an HST on grants... but helps institutions to pay for the cost of supporting research (heat, light, intellectual property, etc). NIH indirects are substantially higher, in the range of 50+%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSHRC funding increases have been 50% of CIHR and NSERC for a few years.  The indirects are based on tricouncil funding totals and apply indiscriminately to each program (i.e. a SSHRC dollar is equivalent to an NSERC dollar in terms of accruing indirects). The extra $10 million in indirects is proportionate to the increase in the tricouncil base (direct) budgets (approx. 25% of total). It&#8217;s a little like an HST on grants&#8230; but helps institutions to pay for the cost of supporting research (heat, light, intellectual property, etc). NIH indirects are substantially higher, in the range of 50+%.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2011 Federal Budget Highlights for Research Funding by Rob Annan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Annan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My sense is that the SSHRC funding and Indirect Costs funding are totally separate. But there are scant details. And as you say, it all appears to be moot at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sense is that the SSHRC funding and Indirect Costs funding are totally separate. But there are scant details. And as you say, it all appears to be moot at this point.</p>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/2011-federal-budget-highlights/comment-page-1/#comment-4152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might want tot start with the Brain Research Fund which is not being channelled through CIHR (which received $15 million for all health research). Brain Canada was formerly called Neuroscience Canada and has admirable goals. However, this sets another  precedent for funding of health research through specific interest groups (previous one-offs included the Terry Fox Foundation). Is this the best use of public money for research?  What drove the governments specific interest in this area?

More may be gleaned from http://braincanada.ca/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might want tot start with the Brain Research Fund which is not being channelled through CIHR (which received $15 million for all health research). Brain Canada was formerly called Neuroscience Canada and has admirable goals. However, this sets another  precedent for funding of health research through specific interest groups (previous one-offs included the Terry Fox Foundation). Is this the best use of public money for research?  What drove the governments specific interest in this area?</p>
<p>More may be gleaned from <a href="http://braincanada.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://braincanada.ca/</a></p>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/2011-federal-budget-highlights/comment-page-1/#comment-4151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoVE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Based on our earlier conversation, do I understand correctly that SSHRC funding flat and others up, or does pulling out that Indirect Costs mean SSHRC&#039;s budget is actually increasing? Not that it makes any difference if the gov&#039;t falls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on our earlier conversation, do I understand correctly that SSHRC funding flat and others up, or does pulling out that Indirect Costs mean SSHRC&#8217;s budget is actually increasing? Not that it makes any difference if the gov&#8217;t falls.</p>
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		<link>http://dontleavecanadabehind.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/whither-the-nrc/comment-page-1/#comment-4150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[When Orwell meets Baden-Powell at the NRC &#124; Piece of Mind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Rob Anan has already discussed, it is clear that NRC was in search for an identity. Some institutes are highly involved in [...]]]></description>
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